'Trust those who should not be trusted' Lao Tzu - Tao the Ching.
What I think this means is that people need to be given the opportunity to be trusted and hopefully respond in kind.
It gets harder and harder to trust as I get older as I keep getting burnt, but I will not give up my hope and my heart, and without trust it is impossible to create a resilient community without giving people a chance.
We are witnessing sociocide...the destruction of connection or the construction of atomisation and chronic anomy. It is clear that existing communities can (and will) respond to this, but I don't read people engaging with the practical issue of how to recuperate atomised people, who exist in abundance. Hannah Arendt famously identified totalitarianism as a response to anomy. I'd agree with her.
If possible, Theophilus, I'd be grateful if you could consider how a community in recovery would (or should) respond to those already atomised or desocialised.
It is one thing to fortify an existing community, but a great many live extra-communally. One of the key tasks, as I see it, is to re-integrate the de-tribalised, atomised, post-social or extra-socialised into a structured communal environment.
In my opinion the easiest way is to start organizing community events. Like proms, balls, sport competition, theater plays, musical performance. It has to have some local spirit, the people has to be from local community and it has to have some prestige so people who will win or participate get recognition and price. The biggest killer of any effort is the removal of price for competition. If you give the winer time on stage, medal or kiss from nice hostest, it will be enough motivation to get back and compete.
IMHO the most important thing is reality. It must involve embodiment...physical presence and the direct involvement of other people.
A key test is also privacy/self-sufficiency...no need for media, social media or validation by anything digital. Distance from the zone of stupefaction and enchantment (mediated experience) is essential. Any relief from the ubiquity of this stuff will attract people.
What if you don't like any of the people living around you, should be coerced into forming community with them? I like being a hermit in a wilderness area I give zero fucks about "community" which is just right wing communism.
I appreciate your position. There was a time that I would have shared it...at least to a degree. However, Aristotle once wrote that man is a political animal (politikon zoon, with the latter pronounced 'sdo-on') and that only gods and monsters live alone. He was wise. The wave of insanity appearing now (the troons, the furries, the freaks) are just one result from atomisation and the normalization of anomie. Isolated people become eccentric and, in time, go crazy. I am not suggesting that you are in that position, simply that a hermitage can be a dangerous place.
In the real world communities are never constituted by like-minded people. Such groups are sects or cults. Real communities that are healthy can absorb a very wide spectrum. No community is all-inclusive or would want to be.
If you do not like those around you just move. Run. Flee. Find others.
You don’t get it, I don’t like the people in my physical location at all, stop saying I have to like them because of politics. You know who else says you have to engage in collective action with blocks of people you may not like? Communists. Fuck off commie!
Churches, neighbourhood organisations, local government, charitable bodies, gun clubs, even local militias should become the norm for our people again.
I agree in theory, but I'm having trouble translating this to our brave new world. Maybe I just hang out with a bunch of losers, but everyone I know is much more interested in video games, phones, and netflix than doing anything constructive. Since the vast majority of people simply aren't awake, we're almost forced to go at it alone.
The culture aims to fosters passivity, prioritises vicarious experience (entertainment) over anything live and misdirects people away from other people. It is constructed devitalisation that results in necrobiosis (living death)...zombification. It is about fortifying Cthulhuland with 'homo debilis'...crippled man, disabled man.
The atomization of society and the destruction of the social fabric is a double edged sword for the WEF oligarchs. It undermines the ability of local populations to be autonomous, making it easier for the oligarchs to govern a globalist society, but it also makes that society more fragile and prone to sudden collapse in the aftermath of a black swan event. Of course the increased likelihood of civilizational collapse is a good reason to rebuild local networks: the first casualty of the next systemic crisis will likely be the system itself.
Collapse is just another firm of Schumpeterian 'creative destruction'. One man's ruin is another's profit. Making a buck out of catastrophe is the gold standard of the latest iteration of capitalism.
If the Clinton Foundation could turn a dime on disaster relief in Haiti imagine what others like it could do with the continental USA.
The difference between Blue and Red America is primarily population density. A big city government is not a local government.
Cities needs to be broken up into urban villages. Why should an entire city have a say in zoning decisions in your neighborhood? Or noise ordinances?
And how about having a separate school board for every geography based high school in the country? I bet the groomercrats would have a harder time promoting perversion.
"For instance, there is the decades-long decline in church attendance (even among those who would still profess to be Christians but believe you can be “spiritual out on the lake”), which in addition to the obvious spiritual deficiencies indicated by it, also shows the decay of social and community attachments."
Sounds nice but what if you live an area where there is no one at your intellectual level to talk to? I live in a very rural area so I have zero problems with the woke, but everyone surrounding me is a chud. All they want to do is sit around the fire and talk about the transfer case on their 4WD drive trucks. That might be OK once, but it is extremely boring time, after time, after time.
IMO "community" is one of those thing that sounds nice in theory but sucks in practice, kind of like Marxism.
So for me praying on the lake works very well YMMV.
'Trust those who should not be trusted' Lao Tzu - Tao the Ching.
What I think this means is that people need to be given the opportunity to be trusted and hopefully respond in kind.
It gets harder and harder to trust as I get older as I keep getting burnt, but I will not give up my hope and my heart, and without trust it is impossible to create a resilient community without giving people a chance.
We are witnessing sociocide...the destruction of connection or the construction of atomisation and chronic anomy. It is clear that existing communities can (and will) respond to this, but I don't read people engaging with the practical issue of how to recuperate atomised people, who exist in abundance. Hannah Arendt famously identified totalitarianism as a response to anomy. I'd agree with her.
If possible, Theophilus, I'd be grateful if you could consider how a community in recovery would (or should) respond to those already atomised or desocialised.
It is one thing to fortify an existing community, but a great many live extra-communally. One of the key tasks, as I see it, is to re-integrate the de-tribalised, atomised, post-social or extra-socialised into a structured communal environment.
In my opinion the easiest way is to start organizing community events. Like proms, balls, sport competition, theater plays, musical performance. It has to have some local spirit, the people has to be from local community and it has to have some prestige so people who will win or participate get recognition and price. The biggest killer of any effort is the removal of price for competition. If you give the winer time on stage, medal or kiss from nice hostest, it will be enough motivation to get back and compete.
IMHO the most important thing is reality. It must involve embodiment...physical presence and the direct involvement of other people.
A key test is also privacy/self-sufficiency...no need for media, social media or validation by anything digital. Distance from the zone of stupefaction and enchantment (mediated experience) is essential. Any relief from the ubiquity of this stuff will attract people.
What if you don't like any of the people living around you, should be coerced into forming community with them? I like being a hermit in a wilderness area I give zero fucks about "community" which is just right wing communism.
I appreciate your position. There was a time that I would have shared it...at least to a degree. However, Aristotle once wrote that man is a political animal (politikon zoon, with the latter pronounced 'sdo-on') and that only gods and monsters live alone. He was wise. The wave of insanity appearing now (the troons, the furries, the freaks) are just one result from atomisation and the normalization of anomie. Isolated people become eccentric and, in time, go crazy. I am not suggesting that you are in that position, simply that a hermitage can be a dangerous place.
In the real world communities are never constituted by like-minded people. Such groups are sects or cults. Real communities that are healthy can absorb a very wide spectrum. No community is all-inclusive or would want to be.
If you do not like those around you just move. Run. Flee. Find others.
You don’t get it, I don’t like the people in my physical location at all, stop saying I have to like them because of politics. You know who else says you have to engage in collective action with blocks of people you may not like? Communists. Fuck off commie!
Churches, neighbourhood organisations, local government, charitable bodies, gun clubs, even local militias should become the norm for our people again.
I agree in theory, but I'm having trouble translating this to our brave new world. Maybe I just hang out with a bunch of losers, but everyone I know is much more interested in video games, phones, and netflix than doing anything constructive. Since the vast majority of people simply aren't awake, we're almost forced to go at it alone.
They lost motivation, if you print money and give it away why to improve?
The culture aims to fosters passivity, prioritises vicarious experience (entertainment) over anything live and misdirects people away from other people. It is constructed devitalisation that results in necrobiosis (living death)...zombification. It is about fortifying Cthulhuland with 'homo debilis'...crippled man, disabled man.
Very true. My hobbies are all essentially individual pursuits, which makes things harder.
The atomization of society and the destruction of the social fabric is a double edged sword for the WEF oligarchs. It undermines the ability of local populations to be autonomous, making it easier for the oligarchs to govern a globalist society, but it also makes that society more fragile and prone to sudden collapse in the aftermath of a black swan event. Of course the increased likelihood of civilizational collapse is a good reason to rebuild local networks: the first casualty of the next systemic crisis will likely be the system itself.
Collapse is just another firm of Schumpeterian 'creative destruction'. One man's ruin is another's profit. Making a buck out of catastrophe is the gold standard of the latest iteration of capitalism.
If the Clinton Foundation could turn a dime on disaster relief in Haiti imagine what others like it could do with the continental USA.
Indeed!
The difference between Blue and Red America is primarily population density. A big city government is not a local government.
Cities needs to be broken up into urban villages. Why should an entire city have a say in zoning decisions in your neighborhood? Or noise ordinances?
And how about having a separate school board for every geography based high school in the country? I bet the groomercrats would have a harder time promoting perversion.
Nice, we need to engage the world, and invite others to do the same with us.
The future is local.
"For instance, there is the decades-long decline in church attendance (even among those who would still profess to be Christians but believe you can be “spiritual out on the lake”), which in addition to the obvious spiritual deficiencies indicated by it, also shows the decay of social and community attachments."
Sounds nice but what if you live an area where there is no one at your intellectual level to talk to? I live in a very rural area so I have zero problems with the woke, but everyone surrounding me is a chud. All they want to do is sit around the fire and talk about the transfer case on their 4WD drive trucks. That might be OK once, but it is extremely boring time, after time, after time.
IMO "community" is one of those thing that sounds nice in theory but sucks in practice, kind of like Marxism.
So for me praying on the lake works very well YMMV.