So does Marxism. So does Freudianism. So does feminism. So does every single religion. They can all explain everything, no matter what the outcome is, as fitting their theories.
So does "cyclical" whatever. A country is broken up from within? Cyclical! It is broken up because of outside attacks? Cyclical! It actually goes on for many centuries, even a thousand years? Also cyclical, since time limits would get in the way of the theory.
"The theory closely fits what we actually observe"
So says every ideology and religion.
What actually gives the West problems right now is mass immigration of people with a lower IQ and enormous crime rates. They are imported because of the non-White tribe that controls Hollywood and the media and brags about it. There's no need to fit that into something else.
You people are living in a fantasy if you think collapse is likely, or anything more than a tiny outside possibility. First off, there are virtually no examples in history where a society collapsed into anarchy which allowed the locals to rebuild society as they wished. The were almost always a devolution to some degree.
Rome didn't collapse, it broke up into pieces, with the pieces being ruled by the current administrator. Most Euro titles of inherited nobility are actually Roman titles of appointed administrators: Count = county administrator; Duke = provincial military commander, etc.
The USSR didn't collapse, it shed a few ethnic republicans, changed a few titles and those in charge swapped a few seats.
The only example I have been able to come up with for total collapse into anarchy was the Late Bronze Age Collapse, which happened due to outside raiders, and some states such as Egypt still weathered the storm. The other states went into mad max cannibal mode, and were made so weak that they eventually ended up as part of some other tyrannical state, and were glad to do so.
Do you trust your state party apparatus to initiate Far Right Utopia? Do you trust your governor as a dictator?
At no point in history has a total break down in order lead to us peasants wandering through the ruins debating which system of government we should adopt to usher us into a utopian age of justice and prosperity. If you disagree, name some examples.
TC, a very fine piece. Balanced and realistic. IMO I suspect that the collapse in North America is likely to look like Italy in the 70s or Ulster during the Troubles: state-sponsored violence under the cover of controlled movements, supplemented by low-intensity conflict between rival communities. The ethnic cleansing of large metropolitan cities is already under way.
Re organisation, my guess is that people are fast learners and we may safely assume that there are plenty of people on the dissident/dissenting spectrum who have twigged to the dangers posed by the feds. One hopes that some, maybe many, of these people are organising discretely and successfully in para-masonic fashion in all manner of ways.
The weakening dollar presents disincentives in the economy generally, and I would expect collapse first in certain sectors. Public education, law enforcement, and other government jobs. Shipping and supply chains are going to be strained by fuel and labor costs. The professions: medical, legal, financial (insurance) may completely collapse. Global shipping is out, local supply chains including manufacturing (cottage industry) is in. Even high tech manufacturing could be done in a home business setting with the proliferation of postscript 3D printing. We're not all farmers...some of us will be herders and ranchers. We will need millers, bakers, brewers, distillers, smiths, and tanners...that's why they call it a reset. A lot of people who have a very specialized profession will have to learn another trade. It's not going to be easy for those people who have been getting rich from a good position in an exploitative system. Many will have to relearn survival skills. Many will just go down and die with the old system because they can't imagine themselves outside that system.
Nero brought back a transvestite from Greece to marry in front of the senate. I'd say this was peak decline, peak decadence for the times, and look at how long it took Rome to fall. We may be waiting for a long time.
I find little to disagree with here. I confess I am not familiar with Turchin's work but I believe it slots in neatly into the Spenglerian/civilizational life cycle view, which seems to be more and more vindicated by the day.
Out here on the periphery of the GAE, signs of imperial decline are VERY evident, both when viewing the US and its constellation of imperial subjects in Europe. Life goes on as usual for the little people.
Food/shelter is getting more expensive, more and more people have to make difficult choices about what to do with a shrinking pool of money. Globalization worked a little too well, and now we are seeing its impact firsthand to our detriment.
"the unwillingness of many on the broad “urbanite” Right Wing to accept that collapse is coming and that they won't be able to wiggle their way out of it using Dark Elf magick."
I like to think of this as "Thunderdome dilemma." What is Master without his Blaster? Just another warm body, shoveling pig shit in the slave pits.
It is the source of the deepest anxiety for the urbane dissident, the stuff of nightmares. If their silver-tongued magic fails, the Yarvins of the world know they may whisper into their gray mirrors all night long, but in the morning it will be back to the pits for them.
When I speak of blacks as “vessels” for Jewish revolutionary mischief, what I mean is that Jews, who always couch their revolutionary urges in the rhetoric of do-goodism, need a group they can claim to be fighting for—a helpless, hapless group, whose plight will never, can never, improve, thus giving permanent revolutionaries the permanent losers through whom to wage their permanent war.
Jews are not placated by their own success. If only they were mollified by material success. But no, there’s an impulse not satisfied by mere prosperity. They need the struggle, and if they’re no longer the ones struggling, they need a proxy who is.
Darren Beattie at Revolver News knows the truth about the media owners, and their brethren like George Soros, which shows when he writes his own articles for the site. He dealt with this "ackshually, it's the CAPITALISTS!" claim:
Post-liberalism is a boutique radicalism for those who want to appear to be striking sacred cows, but without suffering the penalty of actually doing so. They wrap themselves in platitudes and buzzwords about capitalism and other safe subjects and pretend the powers that be quiver at their words. In reality, structural liberalism doesn’t care about their radicalism so long as it affirms liberal racial dogmas.
...
Post-liberals prefer to blame “neo-liberalism” to make themselves more respectable in the eyes of the mainstream media.
The Right’s attacks on liberalism — in the classical sense — distracts from the real issues. The mom protesting her second grader being told to apologize for his white privilege isn’t animated by economic motives. She isn’t being tricked by Fox News or Douglas Murray into thinking that’s the real issue. She doesn’t want to read about how John Locke is responsible for all this. She wants the anti-white racism that her family directly experiences to end. She doesn’t want to live in a country where she becomes a second class citizen due to her skin color.
That’s not a distraction. That’s the fundamental issue of our time. And it’s certainly more important than unionizing DoorDash drivers.
When the French Left in 1968 burned and looted in Paris they were led by a communist Jew calling himself "David the pirate". They wanted open borders to Algeria and Tunisia. Then as every year after that, they and their media attacked any "racism" in politics, any closing of borders, for the economy or for people. When social democrats in Sweden, Germany, Britain, advocated trade with Asia, Africa and East Europe on terms that favor them, not Western Whites, it's not "capitalism" or "cycles" that motivates them. It's the fact that Hollywood has been pushing an anti-White, anti-"racist" message for generations, seen for several hours per night in every household. And the most pro-immigration European country, Sweden - check out who dominate media ownership. The socialist government, and their leftist Jewish allies, above all in the Bonnier family. Which severely hurts the economy, for businesses and everyone else.
If it was "ackshually the CAPITALISTS!" who caused mass immigration, there'd be zero Affirmative Action. They gain nothing from promoting unqualified people in a business at the expense of the more qualified. Businesses are pushed to bring in hordes of non-Whites they don't want to hire. They are forced to pay for the welfare of Blacks and immigrants.
If it was "capitalists" who were behind immigration, domestic Blacks wouldn't be coddled. They'd be shoved aside as any non-Black immigrants are better workers. Instead, Blacks are praised and given privileges like Affirmative Action, and Blacks writing anti-White and anti-business books are given prime time.
If "capitalists" were in control the LA race riots, Whites being attacked for the media line about Trayvor Martin, and BurnLootMurder, would never happen. It could happen because the media bosses praised it, and anyone resisting was targeted. BLM burned and looted businesses and beat and killed people who protected the businesses, and the media said nothing. The political establishment said nothing, and the BLM leaders are now rich. The Jew George Soros financed BLM. I guess it's because he's a "capitalist" who somehow did it to promote businesses, not a leftist Jew who loved seeing White-owned businesses and White neighborhoods be attacked.
Any business owner who says something "racist" will be destroyed by the media, and the politicized courts will give money to the Blacks who sue him, with the politicians applauding. But if he advocated for tariffs between nations, that wouldn't even be a headline. If it's DA CAPITALISTS who are in control and who are behind immigration for lower wages, that wouldn't be the case. The reality is that it's the Left that controls schools, universities and the media, and push mass immigration that hurts businesses and everyone else.
Hey Theophilus, I really enjoyed your article and so included it in a little round-up I write. I'm not sure that it will translate to much by way of traffic, but nevertheless, I thought you might get a kick out of it.
Collapse is blatantly imminent without any historical gauge. Calling it merely a part of a cycle, however, belies the peculiar and particular nature of the situation we find ourselves in
Hahaha. Yarvin isn't ever going to live this down, is he?
"a great deal of explanatory power."
So does Marxism. So does Freudianism. So does feminism. So does every single religion. They can all explain everything, no matter what the outcome is, as fitting their theories.
So does "cyclical" whatever. A country is broken up from within? Cyclical! It is broken up because of outside attacks? Cyclical! It actually goes on for many centuries, even a thousand years? Also cyclical, since time limits would get in the way of the theory.
"The theory closely fits what we actually observe"
So says every ideology and religion.
What actually gives the West problems right now is mass immigration of people with a lower IQ and enormous crime rates. They are imported because of the non-White tribe that controls Hollywood and the media and brags about it. There's no need to fit that into something else.
You people are living in a fantasy if you think collapse is likely, or anything more than a tiny outside possibility. First off, there are virtually no examples in history where a society collapsed into anarchy which allowed the locals to rebuild society as they wished. The were almost always a devolution to some degree.
Rome didn't collapse, it broke up into pieces, with the pieces being ruled by the current administrator. Most Euro titles of inherited nobility are actually Roman titles of appointed administrators: Count = county administrator; Duke = provincial military commander, etc.
The USSR didn't collapse, it shed a few ethnic republicans, changed a few titles and those in charge swapped a few seats.
The only example I have been able to come up with for total collapse into anarchy was the Late Bronze Age Collapse, which happened due to outside raiders, and some states such as Egypt still weathered the storm. The other states went into mad max cannibal mode, and were made so weak that they eventually ended up as part of some other tyrannical state, and were glad to do so.
Do you trust your state party apparatus to initiate Far Right Utopia? Do you trust your governor as a dictator?
At no point in history has a total break down in order lead to us peasants wandering through the ruins debating which system of government we should adopt to usher us into a utopian age of justice and prosperity. If you disagree, name some examples.
Outstanding essay.
Here are a couple of others I just read today that will reinforce many of the author's points:
'You'll Own Nothing'—and Like It. Or Will You?
David Solway • 05 Aug, 2022
https://the-pipeline.org/youll-own-nothing-and-like-it-or-will-you/
This time next year you’ll be living in ‘China’
6TH AUGUST 2022 by Dr. Veronon Coleman
https://vernoncoleman.org/articles/time-next-year-youll-be-living-china
TC, a very fine piece. Balanced and realistic. IMO I suspect that the collapse in North America is likely to look like Italy in the 70s or Ulster during the Troubles: state-sponsored violence under the cover of controlled movements, supplemented by low-intensity conflict between rival communities. The ethnic cleansing of large metropolitan cities is already under way.
Re organisation, my guess is that people are fast learners and we may safely assume that there are plenty of people on the dissident/dissenting spectrum who have twigged to the dangers posed by the feds. One hopes that some, maybe many, of these people are organising discretely and successfully in para-masonic fashion in all manner of ways.
The weakening dollar presents disincentives in the economy generally, and I would expect collapse first in certain sectors. Public education, law enforcement, and other government jobs. Shipping and supply chains are going to be strained by fuel and labor costs. The professions: medical, legal, financial (insurance) may completely collapse. Global shipping is out, local supply chains including manufacturing (cottage industry) is in. Even high tech manufacturing could be done in a home business setting with the proliferation of postscript 3D printing. We're not all farmers...some of us will be herders and ranchers. We will need millers, bakers, brewers, distillers, smiths, and tanners...that's why they call it a reset. A lot of people who have a very specialized profession will have to learn another trade. It's not going to be easy for those people who have been getting rich from a good position in an exploitative system. Many will have to relearn survival skills. Many will just go down and die with the old system because they can't imagine themselves outside that system.
Nero brought back a transvestite from Greece to marry in front of the senate. I'd say this was peak decline, peak decadence for the times, and look at how long it took Rome to fall. We may be waiting for a long time.
I find little to disagree with here. I confess I am not familiar with Turchin's work but I believe it slots in neatly into the Spenglerian/civilizational life cycle view, which seems to be more and more vindicated by the day.
Out here on the periphery of the GAE, signs of imperial decline are VERY evident, both when viewing the US and its constellation of imperial subjects in Europe. Life goes on as usual for the little people.
Food/shelter is getting more expensive, more and more people have to make difficult choices about what to do with a shrinking pool of money. Globalization worked a little too well, and now we are seeing its impact firsthand to our detriment.
"the unwillingness of many on the broad “urbanite” Right Wing to accept that collapse is coming and that they won't be able to wiggle their way out of it using Dark Elf magick."
I like to think of this as "Thunderdome dilemma." What is Master without his Blaster? Just another warm body, shoveling pig shit in the slave pits.
It is the source of the deepest anxiety for the urbane dissident, the stuff of nightmares. If their silver-tongued magic fails, the Yarvins of the world know they may whisper into their gray mirrors all night long, but in the morning it will be back to the pits for them.
David Cole, who comes from a long line of radical Jews but turned against them, has often exposed what they are doing.
https://www.takimag.com/article/the-dysgenic-duo/
When I speak of blacks as “vessels” for Jewish revolutionary mischief, what I mean is that Jews, who always couch their revolutionary urges in the rhetoric of do-goodism, need a group they can claim to be fighting for—a helpless, hapless group, whose plight will never, can never, improve, thus giving permanent revolutionaries the permanent losers through whom to wage their permanent war.
Jews are not placated by their own success. If only they were mollified by material success. But no, there’s an impulse not satisfied by mere prosperity. They need the struggle, and if they’re no longer the ones struggling, they need a proxy who is.
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Darren Beattie at Revolver News knows the truth about the media owners, and their brethren like George Soros, which shows when he writes his own articles for the site. He dealt with this "ackshually, it's the CAPITALISTS!" claim:
https://www.revolver.news/2022/07/identity-politics-economic-issues-and-respectable-conservatives-scott-greer/
Post-liberalism is a boutique radicalism for those who want to appear to be striking sacred cows, but without suffering the penalty of actually doing so. They wrap themselves in platitudes and buzzwords about capitalism and other safe subjects and pretend the powers that be quiver at their words. In reality, structural liberalism doesn’t care about their radicalism so long as it affirms liberal racial dogmas.
...
Post-liberals prefer to blame “neo-liberalism” to make themselves more respectable in the eyes of the mainstream media.
The Right’s attacks on liberalism — in the classical sense — distracts from the real issues. The mom protesting her second grader being told to apologize for his white privilege isn’t animated by economic motives. She isn’t being tricked by Fox News or Douglas Murray into thinking that’s the real issue. She doesn’t want to read about how John Locke is responsible for all this. She wants the anti-white racism that her family directly experiences to end. She doesn’t want to live in a country where she becomes a second class citizen due to her skin color.
That’s not a distraction. That’s the fundamental issue of our time. And it’s certainly more important than unionizing DoorDash drivers.
-------------------------------------------------------
When the French Left in 1968 burned and looted in Paris they were led by a communist Jew calling himself "David the pirate". They wanted open borders to Algeria and Tunisia. Then as every year after that, they and their media attacked any "racism" in politics, any closing of borders, for the economy or for people. When social democrats in Sweden, Germany, Britain, advocated trade with Asia, Africa and East Europe on terms that favor them, not Western Whites, it's not "capitalism" or "cycles" that motivates them. It's the fact that Hollywood has been pushing an anti-White, anti-"racist" message for generations, seen for several hours per night in every household. And the most pro-immigration European country, Sweden - check out who dominate media ownership. The socialist government, and their leftist Jewish allies, above all in the Bonnier family. Which severely hurts the economy, for businesses and everyone else.
If it was "ackshually the CAPITALISTS!" who caused mass immigration, there'd be zero Affirmative Action. They gain nothing from promoting unqualified people in a business at the expense of the more qualified. Businesses are pushed to bring in hordes of non-Whites they don't want to hire. They are forced to pay for the welfare of Blacks and immigrants.
If it was "capitalists" who were behind immigration, domestic Blacks wouldn't be coddled. They'd be shoved aside as any non-Black immigrants are better workers. Instead, Blacks are praised and given privileges like Affirmative Action, and Blacks writing anti-White and anti-business books are given prime time.
If "capitalists" were in control the LA race riots, Whites being attacked for the media line about Trayvor Martin, and BurnLootMurder, would never happen. It could happen because the media bosses praised it, and anyone resisting was targeted. BLM burned and looted businesses and beat and killed people who protected the businesses, and the media said nothing. The political establishment said nothing, and the BLM leaders are now rich. The Jew George Soros financed BLM. I guess it's because he's a "capitalist" who somehow did it to promote businesses, not a leftist Jew who loved seeing White-owned businesses and White neighborhoods be attacked.
Any business owner who says something "racist" will be destroyed by the media, and the politicized courts will give money to the Blacks who sue him, with the politicians applauding. But if he advocated for tariffs between nations, that wouldn't even be a headline. If it's DA CAPITALISTS who are in control and who are behind immigration for lower wages, that wouldn't be the case. The reality is that it's the Left that controls schools, universities and the media, and push mass immigration that hurts businesses and everyone else.
The USA will be 250 years old in 2026. Stick a fork in it, it’s dead.
Hey Theophilus, I really enjoyed your article and so included it in a little round-up I write. I'm not sure that it will translate to much by way of traffic, but nevertheless, I thought you might get a kick out of it.
https://carsonmcauley.substack.com/p/some-stuff-i-think-you-might-like-afe
One who takes collapse seriously, and wishes to emerge from it, becomes a Templist.
He and it are coming soon
Question – isn’t the resistant to a collapse narrative & continual focus on institution capture adaptive?
Like wouldn’t it be selected for since the best thing to do in a collapse is keep fighting?
You end up in the best position that way||
If you could delete my comment asking the same on the main blog, I'd appreciate it.
Collapse is blatantly imminent without any historical gauge. Calling it merely a part of a cycle, however, belies the peculiar and particular nature of the situation we find ourselves in